conflicts anyway, but you can make the same money being a relative of the president than being in the white house. it is an -- stephanie said, it is unforced errors. added layer of scrutiny and possible violation that didn't need to be there. the country wasn't hankering for ivanka and jared to be in the white house. >> there is a reason why we have nepotism laws which, on a very sort of technical basis, don't seem to apply here because they don't apply to the white house necessarily, the way they apply elsewhere, but you have it so you know the people in these key jobs are there because they're the best people for the job. they're going to be judged under the same standards as everybody else. you have relatives of the president that came into the positions. they didn't divest themselves from their businesses. you don't know if they're now getting a pass for things that anybody else would have been kicked out for. jared kushner trying to do a very sensitive job now without maximum security clearance is a huge problem. would anybody else be allowed to