again there's so much about this white house that often doesn't -- that doesn't sort of compute and there's a lot of questioning that comes with it. but i think you point to a question that we're trying to answer right now, the timing is odd and you're right. >> let me throw it to maya, would you allow me a little real talk? >> i'm going to give you real talk. >> it's so perplexing, it seems like maybe people aren't telling us the whole story? >> oh, maybe a little white lie there? so, look, hope hicks isn't just close to trump, she was his nonfamily advisor on the campaign, one of the longest serving nonfamily advisors that he has had affiliated with him in the white house. so this is really actually quite shocking, and so from a political standpoint, the fact that there was no leak, that she was thinking about leaving before yesterday speak s volume. it's just the real talk here this is just straight up --