and she has sort of a unique credibility with him in a way that almost every other aide didn't. they could come up and down and roller coaster in his eyes. she for the longest time enjoyed a special connection to him that allowed her to be -- to channel his interest and his desires and needs in terms of the media in terms of getting his message out. and i think he's going to miss her a lot. >> talk about how she wasn't around the rest of the white house staff. she's also i think the fifth communications director. he started and the position was unfilled and then -- mike dub key and then sean spicer and mooch did it for a minute and then is hope hicks the fourth. >> she was the fifth if you count jason miller who turned it down because of his own issues at that time. so in a way she's the fifth person to give the title. the next person is the sixth in