she'll land the campaign, or is she ready for a complete life-style change? >> i think she's ready for a lifetime change. coming out of the fashion p.r., the campaign catching fire, the next thing you know, you're asked to be white house communications director in the middle of an investigation by a special counsel. and you talked about caralo's experience being perhaps the reason that he knew better. he knew when he saw something amiss, to extricate himself from the situation. hope hicks, a lot of people who have dealt with her -- and i'm one of them -- would call her a quick study when it comes to politics, right. she didn't have the experience, but she learned how to survive. she learned you survive by placating the boss. and i don't think there are that many reporters who have dealt with her that were all that shocked when she said she's told white lies on his behalf because frankly with the view you get of this white house every day from talking to people, that is not a surprise. that is something most reporters know. it is a surprise to hear it out