and i just don't see how anybody can argue that executive privilege or this ridiculous claim of i'm just not answering can be tolerated. and the republicans are part of a cover-up if they do not subpoena her and force her to answer and take this to court to be determined whether she has to answer these questions. she does have important information that could be very probative. and the american people have a right to know. these hearings should not be closed. they should be open to the public. we need to see how the president and his staff are behaving. and they ought to bear the consequence noos for that in th american public's view. >> jill and natasha, thanks. >> thanks, lawrence. coming up, 2016 deputy campaign manager rick gates is cooperating in the special prosecutor's investigation. and donald trump's choice for his 2020 campaign manager has already been interviewed in the russia investigation. that's next.