times that the kind of people involved in that -- not a hardened old -- >> corkoecorey lewendowski wasn hardened. >> but he wasn't digital either. by the way, i'm going to talk about how to identify trolls. we talk so much about them. >> i feel like they're the ones that -- they're the ones who have the ready made pictures with the graphics and their -- you're on to something. >> i'm on to you. >> all right, i'll see you in a little bit, thank you, katie. we're watching two major stories today involving the white house, cyb cyberattacks and the threats back in the spotlight. and the intelligence official that testified that trump has yet to make any official order