jared kushner because of this wide-ranging role that kushner plays that could be seen by some as undercutting john kelly's ability to have full access to full range over policies within the white house. so all of this is kind of coming, you know, to a head. and it will be very interesting to see how john kelly handles this issue. the president is essentially punting to john kelly on this one, giving him the wherewithall to make the leeway. at the same time, we heard the president speak so highly of jared kushner. it's hard to imagine that john kelly would create a situation in which jared kushner would be forced to leave. >> frank, one interesting aspect of this is that this conversation between rod rosenstein and don mcgann did not occur between rosenstein and john kelly. because originally that is who rosenstein called to talk to. he said i want to talk to the