crimes. it's hard to see his way out of this. now, the thing about the pardons as you know, the new york attorney general is investigating manafort's conduct and these bank and tax fraud charges would seem to have a state element to them if authorities chose to pursue it. so, it's not clear a pardon is really going to help manafort completely get out of trouble here, nicolle. >> let me ask you one more question about the mueller probe more broadly speaking. you go back to bannon's comments. you and i talk about this a lot of days these days. where bannon basically laid out his theory of the prosecution of the trump, kushner, manafort gang if you will. >> yeah. >> and said weissmann, andrew weissmann, he's a money laundering guy. goes straight through manafort to kushner and that's how they asked trump with what steve bannon said to "fire and fury" author michael wolff. i want to ask you, one of the little nuggets buried deep in "the new york times" writing yesterday on yesterday's indictments was paul manafort's son-in-law was implicated or