positive force and he would talk to republicans, fatally flawed republicans and talk to fatally flawed democratic presidents. like i said, he would go to the soviet union and again, he faced such a barage of criticism when he went to the soviet union and went behind the iron curtain and humble reply was doing r don't russians have a right to hear about jesus too. and the number of people that he talked to and that he touched and that he witnessed to over the decades, it's nothing short of extraordinary. billy graham -- an interview that always stuck with me, was billy graham was asked by time magazine and this is -- i have no idea why i remember this. but i think that the interview must have been like 1981 or 1982. and i remember they asked him at the end of the interview through your life -- and i guess he