and that person was fired that day. >> of course. i mean, the thing that i don't understand about his memo is that it doesn't actually do anything. if they're saying the interim clearances are going to be wiped out, everybody has to go, but they keep kushner who's probably the most dangerous person who has the interim clearance, or has the most access to highly classified information, that's -- >> he sees the pdb. >> i never touched the -- it was -- we were very need to know. i'm sure you guys were, too. and so for him, it's like, and also the additional protocols that, like, if you've had an interim clearance since june, then you're going to be kicked out, like, it just -- one size doesn't fit all at the stage that they're in. they're going to end up with 100 people potentially who have no security clearance and this person, man, president, is going to be alone with no one around him just doing whatever he wants. >> he doesn't read the pdbs. >> he doesn't. >> so you are, you know, finger on the pulse of the media world. the last two administrations,