>> he's a general. the president likes his generals. that's a general. >> someone could make the argument that, listen, the united states, we've interfered in foreign elections before. >> schur. >> -- sure. >> why is this a big deal? you have people across the board acknowledging this meddling. you have congress, almost unanimously, saying, we need to double down on sanctions. the president of the united states has yet to criticize vladimir putin and rush you shall -- russia. he took to twitter this weekend to go after oprah win frfrey, calling her insecure. she's a lot of things but not that. >> let's lay out the measures in detail. this is the friday indictments. that was the biggest story, until recently. one of the biggest points in the indictment are the troll factories. the special counsel doesn't use the term, but describes the network research agency, an organization where russians used