in the establishment camp. back in 2012, i think we win every candidate for except i think ron paul. every candidate got their chance to be in the lead. we said the heck with it, mitt romney, right? so, he doesn't generate a lot of excitement. he's clearly competent. utahans love him. >> also, look, he was the governor of massachusetts. it's a big job. he did save the olympics. he ran a major corporation. >> and he will win. >> he will win? >> he was right about russia. >> he was right about russia. >> and when he does win, there will be -- there are already donors who want him to win and then position himself for a primary run against president trump in 2020. i'm already talking -- they're already -- a slide show performance doesn't dissuade them. >> we'll talk about it later. first, an iconic washington phrase has been getting quite a bit of use lately. >> follow the money. >> what do you mean? where? >> i can't tell you that. >> only now it's being tossed around in reference to play mates, first class airfare, wimbledon tickets. oh, how times have changed. "kasie d.c." back after this.