but that was 2007, 2008. the internet wasn't quite as advanced. it is interesting they felt this time they still had to get on the ground when a lot of stuff was readily available online. they could have done it from the comfort of foggy st. petersburg. >> there's also a granularity here, naveed, in what they wrup to that i find sort of remarkable. they paid people to dress as hillary behind bars. defendants and co-conspirators asked one person to build a cage on a flatbed truck and another person to wear a costume portraying clinton in a prison uniform. defendants paid individuals to complete the request. that the meme, hillary for prison was not just the russians that came up with it. but they played a role in furthering what became an extremely, extremely common meme in the american electorate. >> yeah, look, and to what julia is saying, i'm very skeptical, having sat down with the russians, having sat down with russian intelligence officers. my sense here is russia understands u.s. sort of customs