indictment and what will it mean for russian activities going forward? >> well, i was wondering about that. on the one hand, of course, he can't be too pleased that all of this has been uncovered. but on another level, you know, this was a very, very successful, what we would call in the kgb days, it would be called active measures, this kind of campaign turned out to be extremely successful. they managed to get their man elected president of the united states. so i think at some level mr. putin is probably feeling kind of proud. >> what about that, malcolm, other leaders might be looking at vladimir putin now thinking, what happens when he comes after me? >> well, the same thing is going to happen. i mean, putin has gone after many other world leaders. he has an entire network of these sort of alt-right