joining us now is joyce vance for the northern district of alabama. joyce, this is a lot to absorb, thank you for helping us understand it. >> sure, happy to be here with you. >> i'm going to ask you to stay after we take a break because i want to talk to you more broadly about what we learned from the conspiracy. there is so much in it. i want to ask you about this breaking news. i was not expecting to see that we were getting not exactly new charges but allegations of new criminal conduct against paul a manafort tonight. what do you make of this including the timing? >> it's awfully interesting. one possible conclusion is that this means mueller concluded a plea deal with gates and gates is giving them new information but also really interesting because it could be a prelude to no longer permit manafort to be on bond and instead him being held in custody pending trial.