you really do have to wonder at this point -- >> i don't think he would say it's good-looking. they've got that hollywood look. >> i like that look. >> central casting. >> he literally -- i remember conversations with him about major positions, like secretary of state and he literally would say, no, i don't like the look. >> it's a smart word to use. >> swear to god that happened. >> tillerson, central casting. >> but there are ethical questions. at this point where you have people who are clearly at this point -- you have hope hicks. wasn't she on the plane helping draft that e-mail and now she's in the middle of all of this personally aligned with this man who is accuse the of hurting his wives and the fbi trying to approach the white house with this information and she's in the middle of drafting some sort of statement that might protect him. at some point, isn't somebody supposed to step down when