obviously. each subject there, the president, the former president and first lady wanted to be comfortable with the artist that was chosen. the artist, by the way, who drew the picture, the portrait of barack obama, her name is kahinda whiley. this is where you see a former president emerge in public view. from time-to-time, that will happen, then the conversation leads to the politics of the moment. the contrast between the former occupant of the oval office and the current occupant. we were talking ability the latest scandal in the white house, the handling of rob porter and now you see almost on cue, the former president emerges. >> there's particular interest in this former president because we are heading into the midterms. there's a lot of question about how the president is going to be president active on the campaign trail.