immigrants in the middle of a government shutdown battle over immigration in which the republicans are holding a winning hand. >> chief of staff walked into the white house briefing room a few months ago and attacked african-american congresswoman and the most recent president of the united states and told a story that proved to be demon stra bli false because there was video and audio of it things had taken place down in florida. i can tell you there are an awful lot of african-americans who detected racial an mist in the way that played out and the chief of staff never apologized for that story, which was just not true. it was made up. and so i think there's a pattern here where on these issues that touch culture and touch race where the chief of staff is not that far away from where donald trump is on some of these issues. >> that's loaded. we'll leave that right there and get to our next guest. earlier -- >> our next loaded segment. >> we brought up president trump calling democrats treasonist for