power is included. there is such a body of law that has grown up about conflict of interest, i don't think that supreme court would apply that to a case where a person was so blantantly misusing the pardon power. >> under article 3, seconds 3 of the u.s. constitution, the president has to abide by and execute faithfully, the laws of the united states. that doesn't mean he can go out there and use them for his own purposes to evade the law and put himself above the law. i think that there would be a strong argument any that such pardon would not be enforceable. we have never had this happen before. >> we never tested all of that would hold up, the donald trump names the person who gives them a 5-4 majority.