these interviews, do you join in the view that bluntly that was the only thing that he could have done given the story in the "new york times"? >> it's pretty clear to me what the president asked mcgahn to do assuming the times report is correct, would have been in furtherance of an obstruction, so the answer is no, i'm not going to do it. >> and then you look at these congressional hearings which at times can be dry, but ultimately provide the public record under oath, which is incredibly important in a democracy with the rule of law. take a look as we probe into june, look at rod rosenstein, we're going to play some sound of him talking about everything we know that was sort of aimed at him, this scud missile that mcgahn was willing to resign over. >> if you receive an order from president trump to fire the special counsel robert mueller, will you do that? >> it doesn't matter who gives