democratic process. do you find it at all surprising if, indeed, they are trying to influence the mueller investigation? >> no i think that is exactly this is what we feared. my small team and i got involved in this thing in part because facebook's initial reaction was that this was a one-time event. it would never happen again. and our fear was that what the russians were really doing is being -- using the tools of facebook exactly as they are being designed to be used and until somebody tops them, they will keep doing it. and the example is right in front of your eyes. it didn't stop in 2016, it is going on through today and it will continue through this election and future ones. >> and is it not just going on, but are they getting better at it. >> it is computer stuff. people never get worse at computer stuff. and the problem is that facebook has yet to accept responsibility for the fact that this built into the algorithms -- >> i want to read what part of what a facebook product manager wrote in a blog post about