national security official you can only talk to the president about national security. but my own reporting shows president trump consulted the interior secretary ryan zinky about what he should do for the afghanistan war strategy. this is a president who had his economic advisers in the room when he was planning the syrian strike and he asked their opinion. he likes getting people's opinions, he asks anyone and he doesn't see things in these lanes that john kelly does. so i think that that is an ominous sort of tension and will continue to be unresolved. but i don't think there's anything imminent in terms of kelly leaving the white house. >> sam? >> jonathan, it's sam stein. a bit of an observation, but also a question for you, because your sourcing here is much better than mine. i get the sense from people who have talked to trump, it's a simple formula. if you're the last person in the room with him you have a greater likelihood of your position