you've seen play out in the white house between president trump and officials, this is remarkable. >> we saw him go up to the hill and try to legislate a package to save the day. this is the least experienced chief of staff in history that has had such meetings ever. >> least experienced and the least interesting in learning some of the critical parts of the job about how congress works, the different bodies work. there are stories about him refusing to talk to former chief of staffs who have talked to him, to help him learn the ropes, both democrats and republicans. so i think this is a man who believes he knows everything he needs to know, doesn't have a lot to learn, but nothing can be further from the truth. he has very little idea how the process works. it's a shame he's not go doing more to learn what he doesn't know.