you in what van na, handsome guy then. >> well, we were both young once. we get to -- there we are with nancy reagan a few years back. we get to sit around and talk about how times have changed. to you my question is, what are the differences and similarities between the two crises that these two very different white houses face? >> well, the first thing i would say about 20 years ago and your clips give a hint of it, although we now look back or many people do on that scandal and the lewinski scandal as a punch line, as though it's something funny. when that scandal first broke, it seemed very urgent, very grave. and a lot of people thought bill clinton might have days or weeks to go in office. the reason that turned out not to be true is he was quickly able to pivot the scandal from did he -- was he involved in this conduct or not. it became pretty clear soon that he was. did people approve of it or not. most people did not. but that was not the main question.