daca piecemeal, it won't solve anything long-term from preventing a future daca-like situation. and what happened last week -- let me say it again, it is stuff like that, that is the reason aliens won't talk to us. it is like a bunk of 1 -- bunch of 13-year-olds. >> you took up my challenge with the colloquialism, and it is not just ten years that the place hasn't been function but you are being kind by saying it is only ten years that washington -- >> i think you are right. i stand corrected. >> senator, thank you very much. let me bring in the panel. caitlyn huey burns, and john alter, columnist at the daily beast and msnbc. caitlyn, you are the beat reporter here. i heard -- i heard nothing to indicate to me that we're not headed for a shutdown. and i didn't think we were headed there, but boy, there is no road map. >> and lindsey graham coming out and saying he's not ready to