okay. >> and i actually found out more about myself than i have ever. >> since i've been incarcerated, my son told me the things that affected him when i was out. one of them was the abuse to his mother. miss jensen's special. she's an extraordinary lady. she's passionate about her job. so she kind of puts her heart into trying to save each individual one by one. >> you tell another person in recovery some of the things you've done, and we laugh about it. you tell somebody who's not in recovery some of the things we've done, and they cry. >> like 40, 45, jobs tend to get a little hard. so i've got to kind of reinvent myself just to get back somewhere, stay out of trouble. if i do anything else, alameda county, felony, it's over. they're going to put you right back on this cookie sheet. yes. >> all right. this is a re-creation of a discussion that caused a rift. >> byron poe, i think he may