something that may undermine passage of a key technique used in the intelligence community against terrorists, against spies, why? because he thinks it was used against him. and by the way, there is no evidence to date that he was ever the subject of electronic surveillance. the fbi director said it didn't happen. the director of national intelligence, clapper, said it didn't happen. but yet he's willing to put self-interests over national interest. chris, it's the same thing we're seeing with regard to his approach on the special counsel inquiry. why haven't we seen a plan come out of the white house to deal with foreign meddling in elections? because, the president seems to think that if he does that and acknowledges foreign meddling, it somehow is against his own self-interest. that's what's governing the day today. his self-interest. >> well, andrea, you and i have been around. we know how people normally get information. they rely on the papers of -- the newspapers of record. they rely on their own intelligence, their own people, their own cabinet, they rely on their own staff. trump seems to rely on the media that he likes to listen to,