>> it could help next time out. >> it's happened twice with the last three presidents. >> you go ahead a third party candidate in 2020. it could well happen again. >> coming up. >> are you against the electoral system? >> i'm certainly moving that way him. >> yes. i have always been for it. it is a hard thing to explain. i'm grant you to an 8 or a 10-year-old. wait this person got more votes, you have to dig in and explain it to them. >> if it happens again, it's just. >> did her letter convince you? >> of course, it did. she's very persuasive. >> yes. >> katherine. but, nick, it is at some point americans will say, wait a second. why does the person? this isn't about hillary clinton, this is about donald trump winning and if it happens again a third time in let's say