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base, has pulled back. do you think this one will be any different? he already tweeted the insistence he would require a wall as part of any deal and, of course, that's inflammatory for a lot of democrats. secondly, there's been a lot of discussion did this meeting happen at all as a way for the president to push back against criticism that he may not be up to the job? i want to get your sense that have from what you saw yesterday. >> well, the proof will be in the pudding. we'll see in a matter of days whether what happened yesterday was simply a publicity stunt that allowed the president to once again change the narrative so that today everything we're talking about on television this morning is about this promising start to bipartisan conversation around daca and immigration reform rather than the president's fitness for office. is he just trying to change the conversation for a day or is he trying to demonstrate real leadership? it would require real political sacrifice for him to sign into law something that overcame the opposition of a hard core group of house republicans to any

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