and i think that he's -- steve is trying to figure out what to do right now. where does he go? i would say, and this is somewhat conjecture on my part, of what steve was thinking. i think that he thought when he told me these things, that roy moore was going to win in alabama. and if roy moore won in alabama, that would mean steve bannon won, and donald trump lost. steve bannon would be holding the banner into 2018. i think with that background, he was willing to break with the president. >> he would still have leverage with that. what was it like, though, to watch to be in this white house for as long as you were. were you just sitting on a couch watching people walk by? >> i was sitting on the couch, made part of the furniture, as i was the black hole. >> did anybody notice you? >> everyone knew i was there. i was a -- kind of a --