are closest to him. at the end of the day, they have no loyalty. i think back to the george w. bush white house and even in the days of the leak investigation, the aftermath of hurricane katrina, everyone was so loyal to the mission, to the man, to the cause, to service. and there wasn't this back-fighting going on where literally knives are pulled out at the trump white house for everyone. and that's something that's captured in this book about how so many of these top advisers demean the president on a regular basis. it's like, if you really do think he's a moron, if you think he's unfit if you think he's unhinged and crazy, why are you working for him and attaching your reputation to him? >> and joel, some of the more serious allegations in here, it doesn't matter what sarah huckabee sanders says about them. she calls it a fiction but it doesn't matter because just about everybody in here will be asked to testify under oath with the risk of jailtime or