bannon talking to the "new york times" back in november about collusion. let's listen. >> i think the collusion thing is, i said from day one is a joke. i was there. we couldn't collude. we had a tough time colluding between pennsylvania avenue and the rnc. >> now saying the trump tower meeting is treasonous. what do you make of the book and things steve bannon is quoted as saying? >> well, i mean, i think it's important to remember the kind of role that steve bannon played for president trump from the very beginning. this guy is an insurgent. he really was, as kristen said earlier, a link to the base, but steve bannon was always a character who was, frankly, going to become a cropper with the people around president trump. it was pretty obvious from the first or second week that things were going to end rancorously between bannon and the people around president trump. i think what's interesting and