in politics but in society and i think there is -- i mean it has not just made i think men re-evaluate the workplace but i think that it's a game changer, it's upended for women the way they think about the power dynamic in the workplace. >> i think i know where you're going. sort of instead of competing with each other anymore? >> competing with each other anymore. you understand that there's not a limit to how many women can be at the table? >> don't fight each other for the one seat. fight for more seats. >> for more seats and there are things you don't have to accept. i feel that with the election of trump, i think for a lot of women, you feel like, we have plateaued. only gone so far abiding by a certain set of rules and have to reimagine what it means for a woman in a leadership wi shship. a conversation i had, didn't appreciate women felt scared a lot. i was like -- you didn't? that is a -- that's a big -- i think for women understanding,