craig, but for many here -- i think you're right. that's a welcome change fomp a lot of people here. these institutions here in britain, they are much older than the ones president obama is referring to back in the united states. this interview shows -- it's another indication of that kind of change. remember, we have a sitting member of the royal family acting as a journalist for the b bbc. that's another example of the royal family putting themselves out there, presenting themselves in a more accessible way. that's similar to prince harry's own story. he just got engaged to a divorced american actress, meghan markle, and just like this interview, a generation or two ago that would have seemed very, very strange. seeing this american getting married to a royal. seeing a royal interviewing a former president. so, the royal family, they're shedding their reputation for being formal and fussy and starting to mix more with their subjects and people around the world. so, for them, it's not just about being nice or being loved, it's about surviving as a royal