what he believes, is alexander murray in trouble? republicans have -- would they pull back on that? >> i think -- >> they would? >> yes, i do. because i think that the numbers, the reality, all of that does not add up for the party. that's been the problem from the very beginning. >> just let people sign up for health care. that's the part i don't get. >> i don't get it either. >> you think they may pull the plug on alexander murray? >> what other choice? how to cover it? pay for it? >> pass it. >> they care about paying for it. >> onced president has something in his head, it's hard to dislodge. he believes obamacare is gone. fine. he doesn't have to fight against it and can do things that shore up markets -- >> just don't call it obamacare anymore. fix it, don't get him involved in it. >> that's right. vanquish obamacare. also we'll find out what