meeting which has gotten a lot of attention. you were an important person at that time. i've been looking through your book. i wonder, why didn't you get pulled along to that meeting and was it a bad idea for those folks to go to it? >> i think i wasn't invited because i would have said it was a terrible decision. this campaign was focused on making america great again. so i wasn't part of meeting, i didn't participate in the meeting, i didn't even know about it until the media reported on it a couple months back. this notion that anybody would be able to provide a silver bullet on hillary clinton, a public figure for the last 30 years, i think it was a fallacy. so anybody who would have approached me as a campaign manager, who would have said, we want to give you dirt on hillary. i would have said talk to the campaign attorneys. >> you say it's a terrible idea. that they were keeping you out of the loop. does that mean it's possible if