>> and premiums will go up. >> it's not people who don't want to spend money on health care, now the people who want to buy health care on their own will have to pay a higher price for that. and middle class families who live in states like new york, new jersey, virginia, california, are going to see their taxes go up. this is not a tax bill that is equitable by any stretch of the imagination. >> i think it's important we unpack that a little bit. the idea that people in high-tax states will lose the ability to itemize their state tax deduction does have an impact. however, there are also lower rates for those families. most people in those states actually wind up much better off. >> i would just argue with the increase in economic activity, because i think that is emotional but it has never provd to -- proved to be the fact. this just does not happen. >> we have the highest tax rate in the developmental world.