going to give them all these documents and dirt on hillary clinton, that they were going to give to it trump's secretary. but then they decided better to bring it in person. and these are the same probably the stolen e-mails from the democratic national committee that the campaign knew about in april through papadopoulos. >> the theory of the case. >> it is true. but i tell you, this is all making sense because it's all coming together this way. if there is one surety here is that there was a criminal act breaking into the democratic national committee. >> yes. and to podesta's e-mail. >> that's right. and the only real question was the campaign and conspiracy with the russians with respect to the ultimate goal to help the trump campaign? >> barbara, i want to ask about this e-mail issue which was a very strange thing. the trumps' lawyers write an e-mail complaining about how robert mueller acquired the transition e-mails, which are government e-mails, how he did it. but they don't write to it