think that the doug jones campaign didn't treat black voters or entertain black voters only during the gotv get out of the vote effort. i think they spent an amount of time that was important around persuasion, just was it's a special election or you're a democrat, you can't necessarily take advantage of. so there was a lot of persuasion going on, on black radio and black print, et cetera. i believe the other thing was the gotv effort. whether it was text messaging, knocking on doors several times, et cetera if doug jones campaign spent a lot of the time with that gotv effort. not just in urban alabama, which would be birmingham, montgomery, huntsville, and mobile, but they spent a lot of time with their gotv effort. i think the combination of those two things allowed doug jones to have a great victory. >> now, i have folk from alabama. i was born and raised in brooklyn, new york, but my