you know, with a great deal of concern about what they perceive russia to have tried to do last year in this country. what they still think that russia is still trying to do in this country. they say things that wouldn't be very different from what ambassador mcfaul has just said in terms of their concern. but it's not mirrored by what the president of the united states says. there's such a disparity between what he's saying and the people who work for him say. it's hard to understand who speaks for the government? what is the point of view of the united states government under president trump? >> peter bake ear. >> if i could just jump in. >> so here's one. i dodged your first question. let me -- >> at least you admit it. >> one hypothesis given what you said. one hypothesis that i hear is that donald trump, president trump, calls, reacts to putin, but it has no practical effect on the actual policy toward