your experience with watergate? why are you certain she talked to the president? >> well, i think there are three things. one, she went to don mcgann. if she went to don mcgann, she probably went to the president. but secondly, it's her general relationship with the president. she is with him all the time. she participated in many other events involving the russians including the drafting of the phoney statement about why don jr. was having a meeting in trump tower with the ambassador. those things. and then the third is because i'm a human being and using kplon sen common sense and saying that is something she would have done. so i think that his knowledge of it is very incriminating for him to continue to defend and say well, putin says he didn't do it and so i believe him.