subpoenaed, would indicate he is fully going down that right. deutsche is significant because donald trump has at least $130 million worth of donald trump's debt, and it sold some of that debt or could have sold some of that debt to russian banks. that could potentially give these russian banks some leverage over donald trump. and so you have the combination here potentially of donald trump's finances as well as his dealings with russia and how those two things intertwine, it's sort of just logical that mueller would look at this. even if the subpoena itself has not actually been executed, it would stand to reason this would be a path that mueller would eventually go down. >> michael, i don't need to tell you someone eventually at every cocktail party in washington and new york will corner you and make the point, you're looking for collusion, it's the finance stuff. that's where you're going to find it.