>> so what are the arguments now for and against phillips, the bakery owner? >> creating the cake is speech. and it's also compelled speech in violation of the free exercise clause. forcing him to take a position adverse to his own religious beliefs. if you're the state of colorado or the couple, the argument is simple. this is not speech. if it is speech, it's the speech of the couple buying the cake. and not the cake maker who put this fondant and the icing on the cake. he's only providing a service so there's no need to discuss his free speech right. >> timeline for this to my understanding, the arguments are happening now. when could we see some kind of a decision? >> it's hard to say. it's always hard to say. unlike the travel ban which is going to be moved with some expediency, this is something that's just going to take its time in the supreme court. >> while i have you, while we're talking supreme court.