with and at least should be brought to the table and listened to which i don't think is happening. >> do you think that it was inherently a bad idea to take somebody who had been a lifer at exxon, somebody who only in his adult life only worked at exxon. the immediate ceo to put him immediately in charge of diplomacy. which you were secretary of state, rex tillerson went to vladimir putin's house on the black sea -- >> right. >> to celebrate exxon and russia signing half trillion dollar oil deal, probably the biggest in the history of oil. >> right. putin later awarded him the russian order of friendship when another part of that deal closed. was he a strange choice for the job as being the ceo of exxon inappropriate experience to bring to the job that he's trying to do now? >> i think it's very limited experience. i think there have been in our past people with extensive business experience, ceo positions, other kinds of