pursue. i want to find out more details, talk to more witnesses. and one witness leads to another. and that leads to another. i think there's some reason to be fearful of what he did in terms of our relationship with the israelis, but it is also with the rest of the world. because every other democracy is looking at the fact that he revealed these very secret and very important methods of the operation. and they will all be fearful of sharing intelligence with america because of that. so that's beyond perhaps mueller's -- his jurisdiction. but i think even within it we have to look at whether it was part of a collusion. >> julia, your superb reporting has given us another figure with a difficult to pronounce name among other things. can you describe his