it's time to start getting really worried about the internet and to inform yourself and to inform people around you. but when the only people in the room that are loudly cheering this are the largest isps in the country, and look, when they open this up right before the thanksgiving holiday and the vote is of course slated to happen in mid-december, i think you have to look at the timing of that and wonder if we aren't being invited into the conversation, we're going to need to start the conversation. because the internet is really important for america. it's really important that we keep -- that we include more of america in the conversation. >> xeni jardin, editor at boing boing. it's always great to you on the show. it's great to hear you on this, xeni, my friend. great toe see you. >> thank you. >> all right. we'll be right back. stay with us. life happens.