now, with this deregulation, obviously it is as controversial as you can get. back in 2014, obviously because of those declining numbers, we wanted to make sure that these populations are sustaining, that, you know, there's not going to be any of these parts being brought to the u.s. trophy-wise, but also keep in mind that there is a difference between the illegal ivory trade, brian, and the -- what u.s. fish and wildlife is moving forward with, with a permit system to bring awareness and funds to the conservation of elephants. >> let's give them the benefit of the doubt that american big game hunters who pay the fee, do everything right, that the fee is actually going to get to conservation efforts right now in zimbabwe. right now they're in the middle of what appears to be a coup. they've decided mugabe should spend more time with his family and he's in military hands right now. so the government is a little