30,000 e-mails that are listening. you just have to take a look at wikileaks. this just came out, wikileaks, i love wikileaks. amazing how nothing is secret today when you talk about the internet. wikileaks, wikileaks, they've got to start talking about wikileaks. >> dken, what type of a backdro does that paint as we kind of delve into this developing story? >> so, what is remarkable about that exchange, kristen, is people, the public don't understand what we do today, the extent to which wikileaks was working hand and glove with the russian intelligence at that moment. but donald trump had people on his campaign, former intense official, mike flynn, who were well-briefed about the situation. and at that point, u.s. intelligence did know that russia had hacked the campaign and was interfering and