willing to say, we don't care, even if he did it, no big deal. shoot somebody in the middle of fifth avenue wouldn't dissuade them. people, i invite everybody to simply read this story and the report reporting in it and see who you end up believing here. so senate republicans who are dodging the ugly realities by saying if he did it, then, i just don't think that's going to stand, because we're not going to get this decided in a court of law and people are just going to have to come to the table and make judgments for themselves and not dodge the bullet in the way they're trying to dodge it right now. >> just to put a fine point on mr. ziegler, the alabama official's point that it's not illegal, sexual abuse of a 14-year-old girl? illegal then, illegal now, illegal forevermore? >> there's a lot of things that happened in the bible that i