it's -- this is very weird and never invent this character as you said and you always want to -- when i listen to him, i wonder is he playing some sort of ultra sophisticated four-dplengsal chess or is he an idiot? and i mean -- >> those are the choices. okay? that's it? all right. let me think. i have to think about it. all right. go ahead, gene. sorry. >> i'm leaning toward the latter but we'll see. you know? we'll see. this is -- ron mentioned one thing, though, that i think we are all keeping our eye on and because obviously the step beyond michael flynn that could indeed be closer to the president is jared kushner. he was at the meeting at trump tower with donald trump jr. and paul manafort. and he was in charge of the data operation of the trump campaign. the russians -- sophisticated way targeted voters.